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Konstantinos Foundoulis:
When even we who are walled off
highlight through our commentaries conciliarity (that is, the process of
judgment and manifestation of the faith through the Synod) as the greatest
problem of our times… then something is going wrong, and we have
unfortunately still not understood that we are living in the last days of the
Scriptures, in the days of the Antichrist, with the signs of the times
confirming it to us!
But, for the love of God, can
today’s pseudo-church of our pseudo-bishops—the pan-heresy of Ecumenism—be
compared with other earlier periods of heresies and delusion so as to speak of
conciliarity (consensus patrum)? We would not even be speaking of
conciliarity if our pseudo-bishops had not, in their overwhelming majority,
apostasized, and if even one among them had applied conciliarity and cast out
the heretics and preserved the Church of Christ! But since they do not do so,
as they are hireling shepherds, they care nothing for the flock, which,
being uncatechized, consents to their love-speak and is persuaded by their
caesaropapism! Therefore, we who are walled off likewise fall into the trap of
ecumenism by supporting “conciliarities” in these last days of the
pseudo-shepherds and of the Antichrist whom they are preparing!
And of course, the flock (both
walled off and not) thus waits—without reacting—for the synod to clarify
matters! But how many, how very many of our Christian brethren
throughout all these years are dying within heresy? Who bears the spiritual
responsibility for all of them? And let me repeat the words of Saint John
Maximovitch:
“In the last days, evil and
heresy will have spread so widely that the faithful will not find a priest or
shepherd to protect them from delusion and to counsel them toward salvation.
Then, the faithful will not be able to receive safe guidance from men, but
their guide will be the writings of the Holy Fathers. Especially in that time,
each believer will be responsible for the entire body of the Church. ‘Have you
not been taught, that in difficult times, each Christian is himself responsible
for the whole of Christianity? That every member of the Orthodox Church bears
responsibility for the entire Church? And that today the Church has enemies and
is persecuted both from without and from within?’”
Brethren, it is time for all of
us to assume our responsibilities before God and history. Do not tolerate any
more deviations and delusions from your priests and hierarchs! Do not “turn a
blind eye”—you are co-responsible!
The Saints are warning you… It is
not the pseudo-bishops of our days who will save our Church—the little
flock—and certainly not “the marketplace of the walled-off,” but the very
Founder of the Church Himself, Our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.
Response: Fr. Dimitrios
Athanasiou
The text presented expresses a
deep anguish over the course of the Church in our times—an anguish that cannot
be lightly dismissed. The sense of distortion of the faith, the critique of
Ecumenism, the disappointment with the hierarchy, and the eschatological
vigilance are elements that have historical precedents and are rooted in
patristic experience. The Church has lived through periods in which the
majority of bishops went astray and the truth was preserved by minorities, by
monks, or even by laypeople. Therefore, vigilance and discernment are neither
extreme nor foreign to the Orthodox tradition.
However, the serious theological
problem of the text does not lie in its anguish, but in the way it identifies
the cause of the crisis. Conciliarity is presented as the greatest problem of
our times—almost as an outdated or dangerous process. Yet this constitutes an
ecclesiological error. Conciliarity is not a human administrative arrangement,
nor is it a neutral mechanism that becomes nullified when the bishops are shown
to be unworthy. It is a structural element of the Church, a mode of its
existence within history. The Fathers never rejected the synodal principle,
even when they faced robber councils or widespread delusion; they distinguished
between true and false synods, but they never abolished conciliarity as such.
The Saints spoke of the last
times, but not in order to abolish ecclesiastical life, the institutional
dimension of the Church, or its therapeutic perspective. Even in the midst of
the deepest crisis, the Church remains the Body of Christ and is identified
neither with the majority nor with a “pure” minority that proclaims itself as
the only little flock.
The invocation of Saint John
Maximovitch is serious and must not be underestimated, but it requires correct
interpretation. The Saint spoke of personal responsibility for discernment in
difficult times—not of an individual ecclesiology, nor of the abolition of the
hierarchy. He did not teach that every believer becomes a judge of the catholic
Church, but that one must not consent to delusion and must cling to the
patristic tradition with humility and fear of God.
Walling off, as defined by the
15th Canon of the First-Second Council, is a defensive and temporary measure
for the protection of the faith, not a permanent condition nor a new
ecclesiastical ethos. When it is turned into a fixed identity, accompanied by
generalized condemnations and the rejection of every possibility of healing, it
is at risk of being distorted and leading—albeit unintentionally—to a
schismatic mindset.
The truest phrase in the text is
that the Church will not be saved either by the pseudo-bishops or by the
walled-off, but by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. Precisely for this reason,
however, no one has the right to limit the Church to the measure of his own
group or his own certainty. The path of the Saints has always been confession
without panic, discernment without schism, and adherence to the truth with deep
humility and trust in the providence of God.
Healthy Orthodox conciliarity, which
expresses the consensus patrum, is neither a formal procedure nor a
majority-based system of power, but a way of life of the Church in the Holy
Spirit. It is not identified with just any gathering of bishops, nor is it
automatically legitimized by titles and ranks. It is genuine only when it
serves the truth of the faith and the salvation of the people of God.
Orthodox conciliarity is founded
on the fact that the Church belongs to Christ and not to the bishops, who are
not proprietors but servants and witnesses of the Apostolic Tradition. Councils
do not “produce” truth; they confess the faith already lived by the Church.
This is why the authenticity of a Council is not judged at the moment it
convenes, but retrospectively—by whether it is received by the body of the
Church as being in accordance with her patristic and liturgical life.
A central element of healthy
conciliarity is agreement with Holy Scripture, the Holy Fathers, and the Sacred
Canons. Wherever a council innovates doctrinally, compromises with heresy, or
silences the truth for the sake of peace and diplomacy, it ceases to express
the mind of the Church—even if it is formally “canonical.” History knows of
robber councils and councils that were rejected, not because titles were
lacking, but because the Spirit of Truth was absent.
Healthy conciliarity presupposes
bishops rightly dividing the word of truth, with boldness and fear of God—not
with a spirit of careerism, political balance, or submission to worldly
pressures. The bishop within the Synod does not express himself, but the faith
of the Church over which he presides, and he is judged more strictly when he
remains silent in the face of delusion.
At the same time, Orthodox
conciliarity does not exclude the fullness of the Church. The people of
God—clergy, monastics, and theologians—do not legislate, but bear witness. The
acceptance or rejection of a council by the ecclesiastical body constitutes an
essential criterion of its genuineness. In this way, the balance between the
hierarchy and the conscience of the Church is preserved—without populism, but
also without bishop-centered authoritarianism.
Healthy conciliarity is not
abolished even in times of widespread crisis or apostasy. On the contrary, it
is then that its true nature is revealed: not as a mechanism for legitimizing
delusion, but as a means of judgment and healing. Even when Councils fail, the
conciliar principle remains, for it belongs to the very being of the Church and
not to the moral quality of its bearers.
Finally, healthy Orthodox
conciliarity is inseparable from humility, repentance, and eschatological hope.
It does not promise historical omnipotence, nor does it guarantee that there
will be no falls, but it bears witness that Christ leads His Church through
crises toward the truth. For this reason, conciliarity is not an obstacle to
confession, but its natural space—when it is lived in an Orthodox and patristic
manner.
Orthodox conciliarity and the
Christ-named fullness are in an unbroken and organic relationship, because both
express the life of the Church as the Body of Christ. Conciliarity is not an
administrative mechanism of the hierarchy, but the manner by which the entire
Church discerns and confesses the truth in the Holy Spirit.
The bishops have the canonical
role of conciliar judgment and articulation, but the genuineness of this
judgment is revealed by its agreement with the conscience of the Christ-named
fullness. The fullness does not legislate nor replace the Synod, but bears
witness to the apostolic faith through the liturgical and ascetical life of the
Church and, when necessary, through the non-acceptance of decisions that alter
Tradition.
When conciliarity is cut off from
the fullness, it degenerates into authoritarianism; when the fullness
absolutizes its own judgment, it is led into individualism and a schismatic
ethos. Healthy ecclesiastical life presupposes this dynamic balance, wherein
hierarchy and fullness walk together in obedience to Christ, the Head of the
Church.
Greek source: https://fdathanasiou-parakatathiki.blogspot.com/2026/01/blog-post_12.html
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